Hey, Can you share you sources for the telemetry hardware mod that you did to your 1W Orange JR Module. I cannot seem to find any good sources on the internet and the pictures you provided would be perfect if they were a bit larger.
Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Hi there Chris. I have taken the pictures with a bad phone i guess and unfortunately these are the only pictures left from the period i did the mod (changed the phone lol). I tried to find a Russian website where i think i have seen better pictures but i couldn't find it. If I find anything i will post it here. I still think if you follow the text i have written and if you have the module in front of you, it will be obvious what to do, just a quick look at those pictures will make it clear AlbEagle
have you test new mobiflight software ? have easy way make 7-segment displays and buttons/switch and encoders whjit arduino mega 2560 board, and many leds too. im interesting this program because have most easy do all than fslink2. working better and good, thanks you has good idea fsuyip and mouse encoder use trim fheels because mobiflight not support analog input potentiometer trimm fheel, and i has think this proplem manytime how made trim, good. next i think how make own yuoke and bedals put not good if need use only potentiometer :(
I have tested the Mobiflight software, works great. I will be using it for Radio Stack. I have also tested Air Manager for the Gauges which looks really good as well. Will post some more pictures as soon as I have more time. In order to have a good Yoke, the Ch Yoke has to be modified. Once i do that i will post the results.
I just discovered your project of home cockpit and am totally fascinated by the clever and different approach that you have ! We can see on the internet many home cockpit projects, even on specialized websites but the way you explain is very clear and didactic. Your work is very clean also and everything put together, it really motivated people to start their one..
In my side, I am a X-Plane user (and actually in Mac) so it is much more problematic and restrictive for a home cockpit. A lot of cards are problematic with Mac or it is not as easy to affect a function to a specific knob, etc.. Arduino needs also a programming skill that i dont have at all.. but i heard "easier alternatives" such as the Leo Bodnar cards (the BU0836X).. I have few questions to ask you:
1) I would be curious to know on which software you are running your simulator (and which type of computer)
2) About the ACM panels. The way you described it shows it as an excellent material for the cockpit panel. The fact that it is robust, also not heavy and that you can choose the colors.. Unfortunately, I live in a country where it is pretty hard to find that so I would be glad to know where did you buy those panels before your project. You also wrote that you had the perfect beige color for the upper panel. Do you have the "RGB" "cessna code" or eventually a website for me to order such panels ? Eventually as an alternative, which material could you suggest instead of ACM (something not heavy but strong to plug a screen on the back and color customisable )
3) The way you did the Mixture and Throttle is amazing. I would be interested to have more details about the way you did them .
The gauges you are using are coming from Project Magenta. It is a freeware but the quality is not as beautiful (I tried them in my screen). Not expensive, I could suggest you the Air Manager from sim Innovations. They look more beautiful, you can also organize them as you want but also can change their size and resolution in pixel. Something like 200 gauges. It costs something like 20 euros (i bought it tosupport the guys who work on that and am very satisfied for that software which will be very useful in my future project)..
I will keep following your blog with a lot of interest and would be glad to receive all the tips that you can give
Congratulations for your great work and good luck for the next steps !! :)
Hi there David, sorry for the late reply.
1) I'm using FSX on a pretty old PC. I'm planing on buying a new PC. For the Gauges I'm using PM, and to interface the hardware with FSX i'm using link2fs, a great program made from Jim. There is also another sofware called mobiflight, which is easy to use.
2) About ACM, i have found them locally, and to be honest in the place i looked they had only these two colors which was perfect for me. I will try to see if there is any code for the color, if i find any i will post it here.
3) I will try to make some more pictures from the throttle and mixture and will try to explain it in more details.
I checked the Air Manager from Sim Innovations and looks pretty cool. I will give it a try and if i like it i will purchase it . Thanks for the tip ;)
First of all congratulations for your cockpit, really well made and true to life . Taking a cue from your projectI, also would like to build the cockpit of the Bonanza F33A and I am organizing ideas on how to proceed . I have big doubts for the construction of the Throttle / Mixture parts, can you , please, explain me, step by step, how you have built them ? thanks and bye.
PS sorry my bad english, I'm italian
Hi Maximilian, I will make some more pictures of the throttle and mixture and I will try to explain it in more details.
Very nice indeed. But wonder why you choose to use PM. I think there is a better product in the market that is a lot cheaper also, i.e. Air Manager (https://siminnovations.com). Will cost you only € 28 and gives you all the instruments you need. They run on a FS pc or a remote. At least give it a try.
JWS Thanks for the tip, i will give it a try, i see they have a demo version. If it looks good i will buy the full version, € 28 sounds great :).
It is also possible to use a networked pc to display the gauges.
Im currently using a second PC with PM to display the gauges. My graphics card is an old one and it supports only two monitors. I will have to upgrade my pc.
According to the website Air Manager can run on low specs pc's based on Linux.
Great project! For interfacing switches, encoders, 7 segment, servos and stepper I recommend mobiflight! It is free and easy to use with ardunio mega and some clones.
Hi there Christian, I have been watching mobiflight as well. I like it especially for the 7 segement displays. I think I will give it a try when building the Radio Stack and GPS.
Like the way you made the bezels.
Can you tell me what the actual sizes of the gauges in the Cessna are?
You scaled the large gauges down to 74/79mm. How about the small ones?
I will measure them and I will let you know ;)
Have you had a chance to measure the real gauges and yours?
JWS I tried Air Manager, i really like it. It has the Bendix Radio stack as well :)
Best wishes for 2017. Hope you can supply me with the real measurements. Regards.
JWS Sorry for the late reply. I scaled the small gauges from 57mm (56.735mm to be precise :) ) to 54mm (53.809mm).
I'm trying to open the art files i have autoCAD and artCAM.
auto CAD cant open art files and artCAM says it needs a dongle.
Could you help with this?
I'm using Artcam 2010. You may have a trial version of artcam. Did you try the .dwg file on AutoCad?
Hi Cory. I have uploaded ArtCam 2017 compatible files. Please check them.
Wow, great Job!
Looks like the yoke is a lot lower in the dash that the real aircraft. This is due, I expect, to the upper dash's monitor leaving no room for the yoke in its usual place. My question is, with the bottom of the yoke so close to the opening for your legs, do you have issues with yoke hitting your legs when you roll the aircraft? any other issues due to tHe displacement of the yoke?
Thanks for your time! More videos please!
Hi Frank, thank you :) I have had no problems with the yoke. For sure it would be better to have the yoke in the middle but because of the monitor that's not possible. Having an adjustable chair would be ideal of course so you can find the right spot. While using the Rudder you stretch your legs which helps even more.
Awesome work! I'm about to start building a C172 panel and this is great information, so thanks! Just a question: any reason you went with an arduono instead of leo bornar? The bornar does not need any programming and seems easier to use, but I want to have as much flexibility and options as possible in the build... just wanted to hear your thoughts...
Thanks Shalem. I went with the Arduino mainly because i already had some laying around. The other reason is that they are cheaper as well. But Leo Bodnar cards are great too, you don't need to program anything. It depends on you. To build the radio stack with the mobiflight for example, you need the arduino.
I wrote you in the Mobiflight forum, because I like your Bezels. I use at the point the upper Part of a funnel but because there are very soft painting is a problem. Unfourtnately I didnt found some cups like yours in black. So did you encounter any problems during painting your cups? What kind of encoder do you use to made a Kollsmann oer Heading?
Thanks in advance
I cut the bezels put them on black metal paint and let them for a couple of minutes. then i let them dry for a while (about 2 days) until saw that the color dried. If you want i can post the color i used. It is normal black color to paint metal.
I am not sure if I got you right. You put it in the paint bin? I used so fare atomotive spray paint with lesser succsess because of the material the funnels I used made of.
That is correct. I put some color in a bin and put the bezels there, let them for few minutes then i took them out of the bin and let them dry.
I have questions about C172
1- PM GA or Air Manager for gauges, which one is better?
2- Making 3 LEDs 7 segment, can you show me the back side or how can you soldering them together?
Thanks so much
Toby sorry for the late reply. Im using Air Manager. I will post a schematic on how i wired them in series.
I am starting out with my own HomeCockpit for a C172.
Can a single Arduino board be used to encode for all switches on the panel? 15 switches + 8 rotary for basic flight operations + (10+10) for the Radio/NAV kit which I intend to do in Phase II.
Another option was to use the USB encoders avail on desktopaviator, but this Arduino approach allows me to check off one more item off my bucketlist! :)
You can use more the one arduino if one is not enough. You can get now one arduino mega with about $7. I'm going to build the gps as well so one arduino won't be enough.
die Bilder im MobiForum, von deinem RadioPanel sind echt Hammer. Wie breit und wie hoch ist das denn? Es muss ja breiter sein als die Standard Radio (16cm Breite).
Ja das Radio ist breiter (21cm) wegen 7 segment displays und circa 33 cm hoch. Du kannst dwg datei runterladen und die dimensionen aendern wenn es zu breit ist.
Vielen lieben Dank! Freue mich schon auf die posts fürs GPS ;).
Falls du das Radiopanel noch mit Gravur machen möchtest, dann schreib mal lynx.dk. Ich habe dort schon panels bestellt und 3 d druch Teile. Kann deine CNC nicht gravieren?
Mein CNC ist gross, es ist aber schwierich auf aluminium zu gravieren. Oder ich habe nicht die richtigen bits lol. Muss mal nachfragen welsche bits ich bestellen soll.
Please make the photo of how you solder max7219 modules!
I will make pictures and draw a diagram as soon as I have time.
Hi there Vladyslav, I have added pictures how to connect three modules together. Please check the website.
Wie hast du die Schalter weiss bekommen oder hast du weisse gekauft? Weil der link ist zu roten Schalter nd ich habe im Netz kine weisse gefunden
Ich habe die Schaltern rot gekauft da ich auch keine weisse gefunden habe. Ich habe sie dann mit weiss farbiert, mit weissem spray farbe.
ich habe da noch ein paar Fragen zu deiner CNC. Kannst du das Panel nicht aus Plexi oder HobiGlas (weiß) Fräsen und dann schwarz Lackieren und dann garvieren. (siehe lynx.dk oder http://hispapanels.com/tienda/en/cessna-172/560-c172-radio-stack.html?)
PS super Idee mit den 16 Segmentanzeigen
You can buy White rectangular caps that you can pusch on a tactile switch ( Mouser Electronics ) Look for 6 x 10 mm caps.
..amazing project great achievement and ,defiantly, inspiring.
You mentioned that you got an access to CNC, which is a big advantage, and make the construction way more easy.
I'll follow your footsteps, but will have to go with more "Conservative" way, CNC is quite expensive (I had a guy that quate me $3,000 one time setup ) .....
Hi, are you using a2a c172 ? if yes, i have a question. I'd like to build a cessna cockpit, but i have a problem with mixture lever. I'm using arduino and link2fs. When i send "c580" to link2fs from arduino, mixture lever dont coming down fully. How i can solve it ? Maybe you know ? And sorry for my English, it is not very well
Hi there Berkay
Yes I'm using A2A Cessna 172 but throttle and mixture in my case are connected through yoke pots. It means they don't run through arduino but are directly connected to the CH Product Yoke Throttle and Mixture pots which is very easy to achieve.
Great work, compliment. Also I'm building a home cockpit of the C172. My cockpit will have a lower switch panel with starter magnetos switch, all switches for battery, alternator lights etc., the throttle and mixture (here some pictures of my work https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h90vffkas...G3ClNRbfa?dl=0 ). I would realize also the flap mechanism but I don't know how I ca build it.
I would like to do one like this ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkiqT_6Jcik ), for you how I can do it?
Thanks and ciao
Thank you. I will be building flaps handle as well, it is easy with Mobiflight, you only need a servo or a stepper motor. I will do it soon.
For me the biggest problem is how to create the spring mechanism that controls the lever.
Watching the video you can see that the lever performs the movements following the steps of the flap.
Thanks and ciao
really great job.
Do you think it would be possible to post a few pictures showing how you connect the throttle rods to the potentiometers and how you make sure that the rods run horizontally without canting ?
Thanks & keep on building,
Hi Florian, thank you. I will post some pictures as soon as I can. For the moment I'm preparing a new panel so i'm not using the old panel anymore because i wanted to change the encoders. I'm planing to use normal encoders and not the mouse encoders i have been using until now, because i couldn't get them stable as a normal encoder is while turning because of the shaft.
Have got all the parts needed for my build except one major item: Dual Rotary encoders with switch.
Can you post a video of the process you used to make them? The pics arent very clear.
Hello! Really impressed with your sim! I have been working on my own C182 for a while now, and have just started building panels. Now I would like to build a glare shield like yours. I am having a heck of a time finding all the measurement information I need and am hoping you could help. I saw your 1:1 drawing, but it lacks actual measurements. I don't know how to go about physically measuring and laying out the panel. Is there some sort of software i can upload the PDF to and take measurements from or how can I go about it? I have never really tried to make a 1:1 replica, and that is my goal here. I've literally been sitting here with a print out and converting measurements based on ratios. On top of that I am trying to figure out the diameters of all the various holes (both sizes of gauges, switch holes (i assume 1/2") Ignition Switch Hole (maybe 7/8"), and master/avionics switch holes.) So if you would be so kind as to help me out here, that would be wonderful!! Again, excellent sim!! I am going to try to build a radio stack just like yours next!!
Hello, I saw your posting in mobiflight asking for ideas for the radios front face but didnt see any answer. Did you found a place to buy the radios front face? i will use your instructons to try make my radios when you find time to post the rest of the instructions but the front plate will be key
I couldn't find any but i am pretty happy with the way i did it. I CNC d the plate myself and printed the design i did myself on a sticker. It looks great.
Can you reply with what material/brand or place to buy the sticker material ? I have some other project and this type of material could help. I see the back ground is black and white letters which makes me curious of how you can do that with regular printer. i was able to use do something similar with power point in a white printer paper but I dint find white vinyl paper with adhesive to do labels in reverse color. thanks for your support
just another question: did I get it right, that you successfully use a combination of Project Magenta (IFR) panel and the A2A C172 trainer addon ? So those two softwares are happy with each other ? (I have PM and am considering the A2A C172 for sound and flight model, but only, if there is no intereference between the two softwares).
Thanks & have a great Easter time,
I am actually using Air Manager and it works great with A2A Cessna on FSX as well as on P3D v3.4. I am pretty happy with Air Manager so I didn't use the PM. But if you want me to try if PM works with A2A Cessna i can do that for you as soon as I have the time.
thanks a lot for your offer. I decided to get the A2A C172 this weekend anyway and I really think it is worth the money. The basic functions work between A2A and PM, I can give a summary once I went through the more detailed testing (i.e. that will be a mixture of A2A C172, PM and LINDA).
I would love to know how the mouse rotarys are connected to air manager, I believe you can use a Leo Bodnar card, but then? How to make it work?
Try this link and select " Instructions" tab,you will see how do the connections. Im using it for all my panel encoders with X-plane. tricky to find the calibration button in the software that relates to "bug, altimeter,Vor1, etc. took me some time but are working fine now. AlbEagle use Arduino AtMega 2560, I like Leo Bodnard for this simple iteraction.
Which display did you use for the gauges?
Did not select a display yet, gonna buy air manager later in the evening.
Let's say the heading bug.
Hola, antes que nada, queria felicitarte por los trabajos, te escribo para consultarte por el simulador del cessna 172, estoy haciendolo, tal como indicas, pero tengo algunas dudas, y ademas hay varios componentes que aqui en argentina no se consiguen, debo comprarlos en ebay y eso demora por lo menos 60 dias, la consulta, es si podes detallar mas como se conecta el panel de radio a la pc, queria saber si todo lo que mostras se conecta sobre el mismo arduino mega 2560, o si va algun otra placa mas.
Desde ya muchas gracias y nuevamente felicitaciones!!
Hi there Pablo Norberto Hernandez. I'm really sorry for the late reply. I hope I understood the question right. For the whole project i'm currently using 2 x Arduino Mega 2560. The problem is that the Radiostack uses a lot of encoders, which are limited in an Arduino Mega, that's why i'm going to need 2 more to complete the project i think. The best way would be a Leo Bodnar card which has more encoder inputs. If you have the possibility , for inputs i would recommend purchasing a Leo Bodnar card, or as I said at least 4 x Arduino 2560.
Pablo also likes to know how the radio is connected to the PC. I asked same before and not sure at some point you will be so kind to share the schematic with us. I ordered all components and I am reading mobiflight translated to English to try decipher the missing information also trying see if something can help from ardsimx . forums. I will explain in spanish to Pablo above
Pablo, AlbEagle no ha completdo el diagrama de coneccion la pc. Esperemos lo pueda compartir completo para con su gentileza nosotros construir el radio. El utiliza muchos encoders y por eso necesitara 4 Mega2560, recomienda q si tines una tarjeta Leobordnard podiras conectar mas encoders. Puedes ver el la pagina Leo Bodnar la tarjeta , http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180
Yo la uso en i panel y es excelente. Puedo ayudarte con las preguntas traduciendolas cuando gustes. Por el momento el lo conecta todo a la arduino pero como dice necesitara 4 en total.
Hola!! gracias por tomarse el tiempo para escribir, estoy empezando a juntar los componentes, compre los encoders en ebay, y 3 Mega 2560, me faltaria comprar uno mas, por lo que vi en internet, los arduino "Leonardo" no parecian tener tantas conexiones, pero seria bueno simplificar en un futuro por solo una placa, como yo arranco de cero, con el tema electronica y arduinos..estaria bueno tener algun diagrama mas, o por ahi contribuir con alguna duda o problema que se les presente, estoy muy entusiasmado por armar el simulador, estoy viendo como puedo armar los rudder pedals necesito saber que encoder se adapta a eso y ademas para los flaps, se me ocurrio comprar el siguiente componente de una guitarra, voy a probar a ver si puedo conectarlo al mega 2560...(http://www.ebay.com/itm/331901706634?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT).
Chicos, cualquier cosa mi correo esta aca, no me molesta que me escriban por estos temas, muy agradecido por todo y felicitaciones!!
Peter, actually I have uploaded a diagram on how I have connected the modules on the radio stack (http://flyingforfun.weebly.com/uploads/6/5/4/1/65412923/radiostack_connection.png). If you would like to know on what pins I have connected the encoders on the Arduino, that won't be a problem i can post them, but it is important that you solder everything. Once you do that i can share my Mobiflight config file which will be than ready for you.
It is actually everything connected to PC through 2xArduino Mega2560 boards. As I said I might need two more Arduino Mega cards to be able to connect all the encoders on the radio.
Thanks, as suggested i have a Leo Bodnard for encoders
One think i didnt understand from mobiflight forum is how you finally wired the on-off switches . I canot post there becuase i tried 4times to sign up and never recived the back email. I have the schematic you uploaded, just trying to find smaller switches with built in leds to select the resistors andstart my assembly. I ordered all other parts suggested, also the switches you used, thanks
On-off switch is easy. Every switch has two wires. One goes to the ground and the other one to a pin in arduino. You add an Input as switch on the mobiflight and assign the corresponding pin to it. Here is an example on how to wire a switch and a led. The same procedure would be with you.
AlbEagle, pardon for not ask the question correctly. I will use the on-off switch as you explained for the on-off function. My question is if the 7-segment displays will remain lighted because I am not cutting the current to the cathode or to the display elements. I am confuse because it was discussed in the mobiflight forum but the translation is not good. Anyway I just received the parts form ebay and will start making my panel soon. Thanks for help all of us,
Great to hear you got the parts. To turn on/off the radiostack or one separate module you need to to use mobiflight and preconditions . Max7219 modules require to be powered before connecting to arduino for the chip to be initialized. It means you can't use a switch to cut the power off and then on again because the second time the chip wont initialize. But you can achieve this mit preconditions in mobiflight. You assign a switch and for every module you make two states, one with values and one empty and say if you turn the switch on than show the option with values, if the switch is off than display the empty one this way the display won't show anything and would be off.
On the website you can find the preconfigured file so everything is set. Check that file first.
How did you make that throttle and mixture? I'm really interested in making one myself.
Hi there Hinrik Jonsson. I did throttle and mixture out of knobs that I purchased on ebay (link is on the website) and metal rods connected to linear pots. I have used different plastic items like pens, cups, screwdriver holder to glue to dhe knobs to make them look better. I'm thinking on making videos but time doesn't allow me :(. I will try to maybe make a sketchup drawing so people can 3D print them.
I wired the 7-segment displays just like your picture but they don't turn on after programming. A single 7-segment will turn on but not all three in serial. Do you have any ideas?
Hi Danny Relfe, I'm really sorry for the late reply. I would suggest you check the connections again. Those Max7219 modules are known on having loose connections. I would try to solder them again. And again please check if you have soldered the right pins. Also if you have cut them check if there are shorts. The other reason would be mobiflight. How did you configure mobiflight with displays?
for the life of me I cant figure out how you did the "KM" and the "KT" between the 2 LEDs. Im sorry if its already been covered and im missing it. This is the most comprehensive DIY flight sim tutorial ive ever seen. Thank you for taking the time.
Hi Travis. You are right it has not been covered here. Please check again I just uploaded a schematic on how i did it. As I have described there, there are two methods. The first one would be easier printing the letters NM and KT on a transparent sheet and light them red using red leds. The second method is the one I'm using with 14 segment displays.
Thank you SOOOOOOO much for explaining that and uploading it as quick as you did. You're the best! One more question.. and sorry if this has been covered again.. what did you do for your GPS? Ive been trying to figure out how to have a GPS in my cockpit that connects to FSX. I have 2 machines right now, one machine is networked to run my gauges.. I cant seem to find software that will run a GPS unit on a separate machine so I can add it to my cockpit. As of now I have to open a new window on my FSX computer onto my main displays. I think I saw one of your posts on a forum where you had it completed but couldn't find any info on what software you used. Thanks again!
Well done and very much appreciate your kindness in supplying so much helpful construction information.
I am interested in doing the Compass and using the 3d files you provided. Can you give me the link to the original ones or did you get them from one of these sites that collate users designs. I am trying to find out what the two different sets of files are. So i know which are better to use. Would also like to see what he did and how it looked when finished.
Hi Les. I have already posted some pictures of a printed compass, please take a look.
Hi there Les, a follower of the website made the files for the 3D Compass and he shared them with me. I uploaded them on the website so they are the original files. Actually there is one version of the compass without the doom and the other one is with the doom. There are 3 files you should print, The compass, the cylinder and the backplate. On the files you can also find sketchup drawings to see how each part looks. I have gotten some pictures of someone who already printed the compass, I will upload them.
Hi and thanks,
I see there are two stl files for each part and i don't know enough about
these to know which one i should print. A viewer shows some difference
but it does not appear to be part of the model. Guess i will just do the one which shows difference missing.
You wouldn't know off hand what the stepper used was would you.?
First of all hats off for a great job !!! & realy like the step by step guide .
i would like to know how many Arduino megas you have used for the Radio stack alone.
I'm currently using two Arduino Mega 2560 for the whole cockpit. The problem is that for the radio you need many rotary encoder inputs. One arduino mega has only 12 inputs which means 6 knobs. For the whole radiostack you need at least 20 knobs. Currently I'm using com1 com2 nav1 nav2 and 4 knobs for autopilot (IAS, HDG, ALT, VS). I need at least two more Arduino mega boards eventually three of them.
Hy, i will try to build Radio Stack, but can't found complete bluprint for connecting all the knobs and other stuff...
Hi there Andrej Eling. It is actually pretty easy, you connect all the grounds for every knob and switch together to the ground of arduino, and then the pins on the arduino inputs. I will try to make a sketch when I have time.
Hi! Which servo motor is used for the compass? Thanks!
Hi there Setgei. I have used 5V ULN2003 28BYJ-48 4-Phase Stepper Motor with Driver Board for Arduino
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